tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-938448068751972875.post1920976668413059468..comments2023-05-30T04:25:37.367-04:00Comments on Sandpaper Suit | Matt Ruby's comedy blog: Gotta input to outputUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-938448068751972875.post-61966713052318036342009-05-13T20:22:00.000-04:002009-05-13T20:22:00.000-04:00Yep, I knew that comedy was the field for me, even...Yep, I knew that comedy was the field for me, even though I am not a regular standup. All my life, pretty much the only thing I watched on TV was stand-up specials on comedy central, and then when I moved to NYC, I started attending comedy shows all the time.<br /><br />So I figure even if I never "make it", at least I will have immersed myself in that which I love.<br /><br />Conversely even though I am a musician, I don't much enjoy going to most music shows.. I often find them to be loud and too lengthy.. Music shows are often 3 to 4 acts at an hour each, so that's 4 to 5 hours total. Comedy shows are like 8 acts and just one hour, so a lot less intense and without the bass and drums that kills my ears--socehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01093354866114461001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-938448068751972875.post-74286006948922748092009-05-13T16:31:00.000-04:002009-05-13T16:31:00.000-04:00I don't think the initial point was that you shoul...I don't think the initial point was that you should watch FAMOUS comedy, it's that you should watch GREAT comedy.<br /><br />That certainly could include unknown comics thriving under adverse circumstances.<br /><br />But obviously the things that you can learn from the greats include more than the conditions their specials are recorded under...<br />Joke construction and delivery, to name a couple, are significant and can be observed under whatever conditions, thrilled fans or not, no?myqhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00772814671528097421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-938448068751972875.post-85568081925060159052009-05-13T16:26:00.000-04:002009-05-13T16:26:00.000-04:00Pryor, Tompkins, Carlin, and other greats are ente...Pryor, Tompkins, Carlin, and other greats are entertaining to watch, and you can learn about the craft of joke telling by watching them, but the conditions they have when they're making those tapes and cds are not the conditions that I'm in or will be in anytime soon. And those audiences know that they're being recorded. I'd rather see someone with no credits or fanbase win over a room full of people who are chatty and disinterested up front . If I could, I'd rather watch a tape of Pryor or Carlin when they were full of potential but still had to struggle.mike lawrencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05406922244980235009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-938448068751972875.post-80926242830490101032009-05-13T15:59:00.000-04:002009-05-13T15:59:00.000-04:00"And that's not to say that they didn't watch a lo..."And that's not to say that they didn't watch a lot of standup in their earlier, more formative years.."<br /><br />Yeah, I think the rules prob change as you evolve and get better. Once you're established you might look inward more for inspiration.Matt Rubyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15042748088506030894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-938448068751972875.post-45590051476789739402009-05-13T15:55:00.000-04:002009-05-13T15:55:00.000-04:00What about great standups who don't pay attention ...What about great standups who don't pay attention to the work of other standups?<br /><br />A couple that I know of--<br />Carlin is someone who has said he doesn't really pay attention to much other comedy besides the stuff he writes himself.<br />Mike Birbiglia has also told me that he doesn't watch much else (outside of Pryor and Rock, I believe he's mentioned specifically, as well as SOME others, I'm sure, but as a rule I believe he's said that he prefers to create without having seen too much potential outside influence).<br /><br />That's not the way I am, or the way it has to be for everyone, obviously, but clearly these guys know what they're doing for themselves.<br /><br />(And that's not to say that they didn't watch a lot of standup in their earlier, more formative years... I'm sure they did. But Sedaris is pretty far along now as well, so I'm sure he could create great writing at this point even if he stopped reading--but the main thing for him I imagine would be that he ENJOYS reading other great work... It's not necessarily all about growing as an artist, though that can be in there, too.)<br /><br />Just saying, there are examples of great comedians who don't watch that much comedy. (Not that they WOUDLN'T enjoy watching great comedy, but certainly there are very few absolutes in matters such as these.)<br /><br /><br />Obviously, we know that to be a great artist, the most important thing has got to be actually creating or performing the art (depending what the art is).<br /><br />Because if you're not performing standup, you're not a standup.<br /><br /><br />That said, I enjoy watching/listening to/consuming as much great standup as I can. <br />As well as some not great standup.<br /><br /><br />Love,<br />an argumentmyqhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00772814671528097421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-938448068751972875.post-61595376580477411262009-05-13T15:36:00.000-04:002009-05-13T15:36:00.000-04:00"Watching other comics overcome the obstacles you ..."Watching other comics overcome the obstacles you can't yet can help you, but you haven't really learned anything until you overcome them yourself."<br /><br /><br />I disagree. You do learn <EM>something</EM> by seeing how the masters (or very good people) work. Still, I agree getting up yourself is the best way to learn.Matt Rubyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15042748088506030894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-938448068751972875.post-3560052421450228592009-05-13T14:55:00.000-04:002009-05-13T14:55:00.000-04:00The best way to learn has always been, and will al...The best way to learn has always been, and will always be doing it yourself. You make a mistake, you hate the way you feel after it and you say to yourself "I don't want to have to go through that again, what can I do to change it"? Watching other comics overcome the obstacles you can't yet can help you, but you haven't really learned anything until you overcome them yourself.If I bomb on a show I feel I owe it to myself to see what kills on that show and I learn more from that than any CD or tape could teach me.mike lawrencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05406922244980235009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-938448068751972875.post-45612320011797812532009-05-13T14:43:00.000-04:002009-05-13T14:43:00.000-04:00couldn't agree more .I'm always amazed at the igno...couldn't agree more .I'm always amazed at the ignorance of newer acts ....they don't seem to be all that interested in the art of stand up and that is why they are usually all sound the same .<br /><br />If you're a comic you never stop learning ot wanting to learn . If you see a great stand up like patton oswalt it just inspires you more .london callingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-938448068751972875.post-90891090729468136352009-05-13T14:33:00.000-04:002009-05-13T14:33:00.000-04:00Totally agree with Matt but couldn't care less abo...Totally agree with Matt but couldn't care less about David Sedaris, even if they're saying the same thing.Dan Fontainehttp://www.danfontainecomedy.comnoreply@blogger.com